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	<title>Comments on: Nothing Better than Old-Fashion Exploitation -or- Why I Hate Rent-A-Coder</title>
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		<title>By: olive</title>
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		<dc:creator>olive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for getting back to this so late.  As you know, per our discussion on LittleBlackDog (http://tinyurl.com/4tlsp7z)  I still thing Rent A Coder, vWorker, or whatever name it goes under next is really poor choice for domestic coders.

Just a little recap for those who don&#039;t bother to follow the links:

I&#039;d be interested in seeing these stats.
The wife unit in the family recent started working with RAC again.
She has been bidding on jobs again for the past two weeks.
She had one so far that actually paid a decent rate. I&#039;ve been keeping a running total (mostly to prove she&#039;s better off working at Burger World,) her average pay, per hour, over the past two weeks:

$0.48 an hour.

At that rate she has to work 24/7 for 2 1/2 years to hit $10,000.
Sure the lowest bids are picked 19% of the time. How about 2nd lowest? 80% 

Another thing was pointed out to me too, and this in a round about way may support your 19% theory.
So many of the jobs on RAC have a &quot;max bid&quot; set by the job poster, that after doing the math, work out to being 10&#039;s of cents an hour to almost a dollar an hour.
That may fly in India, Russia, and Romania, but stateside even panhandlers make more. 

&quot;Hi Olive,

When I freelanced through the site as a writer and a programmer, I never worked for that small amount of money and I know that none of the site&#039;s top workers worked for that small amount either. It&#039;s important to remember that your success at vWorker depends on not only the quality of your work, but your work choices as well. &quot; RACNicole

None of this countries &quot;top workers&quot; work for less than over a million dollars a year either.
Unfortunately the millionaire &quot;top workers&quot; in this country amount to less than 1% of the population. Are you suggesting that 80% of your coders are &quot;top workers?&quot;
It&#039;s nice that you&#039;re here defending your site and all but I&#039;m just calling it like I see it.

I won&#039;t even get in to the non-code related, scum of the earth search engine hijackers a.k.a. &quot;SEO optimization&quot; outfits that use Rent a Coder to plagerize and &quot;spin&quot; other peoples work. 

&quot;Olive,

I am not suggesting that 80% of our workers are Top Workers. Nor am I defending how people may try to use vWorker. We have in place, a system in which individuals can (and are encouraged to) report illegal jobs as defined in our site terms and conditions. It is unfortunate that people use tactics like the ones you described as part of their business activities, but we are quick to remove them from our site when found. &quot; -RACNicole

To which I&#039;ll respond here

a) how many people read &quot;terms and conditions?&quot; (http://tinyurl.com/y62o8t9)
b) who do you expect to be flagging these &quot;illegal&quot; jobs?  Your &quot;Top Workers?&quot;  I am just assuming here, but your top workers who are actual coders there have better things to do than read jobs with descriptions like &quot;Submit A Product review to 10 different blogs,&quot;  and should any of your &quot;Top Workers&quot; be those who enjoy &lt;ahem&gt; &quot;SEO Optimization,&quot; they certainly aren&#039;t going to be flagging job they also make a living off of.

Of course, these assumptions are based on almost year old data and experience.  Maybe things have changed... somehow though I doubt it.&lt;/ahem&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for getting back to this so late.  As you know, per our discussion on LittleBlackDog (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/4tlsp7z" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4tlsp7z</a>)  I still thing Rent A Coder, vWorker, or whatever name it goes under next is really poor choice for domestic coders.</p>
<p>Just a little recap for those who don&#8217;t bother to follow the links:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in seeing these stats.<br />
The wife unit in the family recent started working with RAC again.<br />
She has been bidding on jobs again for the past two weeks.<br />
She had one so far that actually paid a decent rate. I&#8217;ve been keeping a running total (mostly to prove she&#8217;s better off working at Burger World,) her average pay, per hour, over the past two weeks:</p>
<p>$0.48 an hour.</p>
<p>At that rate she has to work 24/7 for 2 1/2 years to hit $10,000.<br />
Sure the lowest bids are picked 19% of the time. How about 2nd lowest? 80% </p>
<p>Another thing was pointed out to me too, and this in a round about way may support your 19% theory.<br />
So many of the jobs on RAC have a &#8220;max bid&#8221; set by the job poster, that after doing the math, work out to being 10&#8242;s of cents an hour to almost a dollar an hour.<br />
That may fly in India, Russia, and Romania, but stateside even panhandlers make more. </p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Olive,</p>
<p>When I freelanced through the site as a writer and a programmer, I never worked for that small amount of money and I know that none of the site&#8217;s top workers worked for that small amount either. It&#8217;s important to remember that your success at vWorker depends on not only the quality of your work, but your work choices as well. &#8221; RACNicole</p>
<p>None of this countries &#8220;top workers&#8221; work for less than over a million dollars a year either.<br />
Unfortunately the millionaire &#8220;top workers&#8221; in this country amount to less than 1% of the population. Are you suggesting that 80% of your coders are &#8220;top workers?&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s nice that you&#8217;re here defending your site and all but I&#8217;m just calling it like I see it.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even get in to the non-code related, scum of the earth search engine hijackers a.k.a. &#8220;SEO optimization&#8221; outfits that use Rent a Coder to plagerize and &#8220;spin&#8221; other peoples work. </p>
<p>&#8220;Olive,</p>
<p>I am not suggesting that 80% of our workers are Top Workers. Nor am I defending how people may try to use vWorker. We have in place, a system in which individuals can (and are encouraged to) report illegal jobs as defined in our site terms and conditions. It is unfortunate that people use tactics like the ones you described as part of their business activities, but we are quick to remove them from our site when found. &#8221; -RACNicole</p>
<p>To which I&#8217;ll respond here</p>
<p>a) how many people read &#8220;terms and conditions?&#8221; (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/y62o8t9" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/y62o8t9</a>)<br />
b) who do you expect to be flagging these &#8220;illegal&#8221; jobs?  Your &#8220;Top Workers?&#8221;  I am just assuming here, but your top workers who are actual coders there have better things to do than read jobs with descriptions like &#8220;Submit A Product review to 10 different blogs,&#8221;  and should any of your &#8220;Top Workers&#8221; be those who enjoy <ahem> &#8220;SEO Optimization,&#8221; they certainly aren&#8217;t going to be flagging job they also make a living off of.</p>
<p>Of course, these assumptions are based on almost year old data and experience.  Maybe things have changed&#8230; somehow though I doubt it.</ahem></p>
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		<title>By: RACNicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>RACNicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, this is Nicole Miller from vWorker.com (formerly known as Rentacoder.com).

I just found this web page from another link, and after reading it, I must say that I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve had such an unpleasant experience with our service. The majority of repeat users who consult our site do so with a high degree of success. Buyers (employers) are thrilled with what they receive and coders (workers) are just as happy with what they earn -- Especially since vWorker&#039;s employers select the lowest bidder only 19% of the time (see http://bit.ly/av0S4R for details.)

Perhaps you might want to take another look and see how we&#039;ve grown? Of course, if you have any questions, feel free to call in to talk to a facilitator, or send email through the site&#039;s feedback form.

Nicole Miller
vWorker.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is Nicole Miller from vWorker.com (formerly known as Rentacoder.com).</p>
<p>I just found this web page from another link, and after reading it, I must say that I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve had such an unpleasant experience with our service. The majority of repeat users who consult our site do so with a high degree of success. Buyers (employers) are thrilled with what they receive and coders (workers) are just as happy with what they earn &#8212; Especially since vWorker&#8217;s employers select the lowest bidder only 19% of the time (see <a href="http://bit.ly/av0S4R" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/av0S4R</a> for details.)</p>
<p>Perhaps you might want to take another look and see how we&#8217;ve grown? Of course, if you have any questions, feel free to call in to talk to a facilitator, or send email through the site&#8217;s feedback form.</p>
<p>Nicole Miller<br />
vWorker.com</p>
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